Managing Disc Bulge: Effective Strategies for Pain Relief
Do you have a disc bulge that is causing you incredible pain in your lower back?
Does your disc bulge give you sciatica or pain down your leg?
Have you wondered what’s going on in your lower back to cause all this pain?
In this issue of Bodi Empowerment, I go over what’s going on with your disc bulge, the cause of your pain and what kind of treatments are best for you. In other words, I act as a guide to help you decide what to do.
Disc herniations, or disc bulges occur when the disc that is found between vertebrae in the spine is damaged. Most of the time the damage occurs in stages.
Here are the four stages of a disc herniation or disc bulge:
- Disc Bulge
- Disc Prolapse
- Disc Extrusion
- Disc Sequestration
Think of the disc as a flat hard onion with strawberry jelly inside. The jelly is the nucleus while the onion layers form circular layers of hard cartilage called the annulus.
Disc Bulge
If you were to damage the annulus (onion) enough the disc gets to a point that when you bend forward, you pinch the front of the onion so it starts to bulge the onion at the back by pushing the nucleus (jelly) backwards.
This is called a disc bulge. For most of you, there is no pain but for some of you, there can be considerable lower back pain and even sciatica from this small disc bulge.
Disc Protrusion
A disc protrusion is like a disc bulge that comes out even more in one focused spot. The disc pushes out as if you had your finger inside a balloon and pushed out.
Most of the layers of the onion (annulus) have been damaged but the jelly (nucleus) is under considerable pressure. The jelly (nucleus) squeezes through the layers of the annulus (onion) with the few intact layers of the onion (annulus) and the PLL (posterior longitudinal ligament) holding the jelly from spilling out. The disc is still contained by the annulus and PLL ligament. ie the balloon hasn’t popped.
Disc Protrusions usually cause quite a bit of lower back pain and often times sciatica. Many of you, with disc protrusions, on the other hand, have absolutely no pain. There is no clear reason. A study found that 40% of people with no pain whatsoever had disc protrusion confirmed by MRI (Magnetic Resonance Imaging Machine) [1]
The trick is not to let your doctor diagnose you based on just an MRI. An MRI that shows a disc protrusion by itself is not a diagnosis. It’s what a normal person with no pain can have. Make sure there is other evidence!
Disc Extrusion
Disc Extrusion is a disc bulge so large that it breaks through the last layers of the onion (annulus) and the PLL ligament pushing into the area of the spinal cord. ie. The balloon has popped. If you have an extrusion you likely have a tremendous amount of pain leg pain and usually some lower back pain.
Surprisingly when a group of normal people with no pain were scanned with an MRI 18% were found to have disc extrusions (severe disc herniations). [1]
When you have a disc extrusion chances are the extrusion is likely causing your pain as it’s so large.
Disc Sequestration
Disc sequestration occurs when a piece of your jelly (nucleus) that breaks through the onion (annulus) and the PLL ligament has now broken off and moved away further into the spinal cord area. When you have a disc sequestration you have a tremendous amount of leg pain and some lower back pain.
Smaller Is Better: Disc Bulge
Disc Herniations or slipped discs are better if they are smaller, right? You will have less pain right? Yes except when they give you pain. Remember all those normal people with no pain with all kinds of slipped discs? They had disc bulges, disc protrusions, and disc extrusions and even disc sequestrations with no pain.
On the other hand, even with a small disc bulge, you can get a lot of pain and even sciatica with no pressure on the nerve. So smaller isn’t always better.
Bigger Is Better: Disc Bulge
Sometimes bigger is better. Most people like you with disc extrusion and sequestration have lots of pain. The fact is these painful extrusions while more painful usually shrink with time. It takes about a year but with the shrinking of the herniations, the pain does decrease.[2-5]
Disc Herniation: Disc Bulge Treatment
#1 Stop Aggravating Yourself
Half the problem why people don’t get better is that they continually aggravate their lower back and their slipped discs. Learning to lift properly, sit properly and even stand over the sink while brushing your teeth properly can help you avoid the pain.
Even Yoga exercises such as the downward dog can aggravate the lower back, Pilates and even your basic abdominal crunch have been shown by Dr Stuart McGill to increase the pressure in the disc beyond its safe limit.
If you want to find out how to stop aggravating your lower back, click the link below.
See Also: Slipped Discs: Best Self-Treatments To Help Your Lumbar Disc Herniation
#2 Exercise For Disc Herniations / Slipped Discs
For complete instructions on exercises for slipped discs click the link. Best Exercises For Your Slipped Disc
#3 Chiropractic Adjustments For Disc Bulge
A major research paper showed that people who have had lumbar disc herniations who have failed at least 3 months of medical management, including treatment with analgesics, lifestyle modification, physiotherapy, massage therapy, and/or acupuncture, should consider chiropractic spinal manipulative treatment, followed by surgery if unsuccessful. [6]
I would also add that I would try 3 different chiropractors as the competency level varies from person to person. Like any profession including medical doctors and physiotherapists, there are the good ones and bad ones.
See also: 6 Things You Should Look For In A Chiropractic Clinic
#4 Acupuncture For Disc Bulge
Acupuncture is helpful for Slipped Discs in the neck and the lower back.[7-8]
#5 Injections
In a study of two different groups getting treatment for lumbar disc herniations, the group getting chiropractic manipulation had 76.5% of the people improve while the group getting the nerve root injections improved by 62.7%.
After a month, the chiropractic spinal manipulation group had a 60% reduction in pain compared to the nerve root injection group, which had a 53% decrease in pain. Keep in mind the nerve root injection group seemed to be worse to start with compared to the spinal manipulation group.
See Also: Chiropractic Spinal Manipulation Vs. Nerve Root Injections for Lumbar Disc Herniations
Epidural injections are also helpful for lower back pain and the radiating pain down your leg.[8]
#6 Surgery
#1 Discectomy
There are two types of surgery available for slipped discs. Discectomy and spinal fusion. This surgery involves cutting out the piece of the disc that is protruding out and pushing on the spinal cord or nerve.
Discectomy is relatively simple compared to spinal fusion. You have a much better chance of success with discectomy if your MRI shows that your disc herniation is greater than 7 mm thick and correlates well with your neurological exam and nerve conduction studies.[9] If your lower back pain is greater than your leg pain discectomy will not likely work very well for you.[10]
#2 Spinal Fusion
Spinal Fusion removes the disc herniation, jelly (nucleus), and most of the annulus (onion). Bone from the pelvis is then transplanted where your disc was so that the two vertebrae become one.
What Treatment Should You Do?
You should do at least 3 months of therapy when you have a slipped disc before even considering surgery or injections. Start by not aggravating your lumbar disc. You need to modify how you bend forward, lift and even pick up your socks.
See Also: Disc Herniation: Best Self-Treatments To Help Your Lumbar Disc Herniation
If you have trouble sleeping at night you can take painkillers to help you get a better sleep. Don’t stay in bed though. When you have excruciating pain you should only have bed rest for a maximum of two days total.
Next, try chiropractic or physiotherapy with someone who also does acupuncture. Make sure it’s not with somebody who knows how to do 20 acupuncture points. Be patient with them as disc herniations can be difficult to deal with.
Attend regularly 3 times a week for at least a month. Make sure they change the treatments to find what works best for you. If they keep doing the same thing each visit but you are improving that is fine, but if you aren’t improving then it’s time to find a new chiropractor.
If you don’t get any better after a month change to a different chiropractor. I recommend trying 3 different chiropractors as different chiropractors have different training.
If you plateaued or haven’t improved at all then it’s time to get a nerve root injection or an epidural injection. Make sure it’s with a person that does this every day. An emergency room doctor or family physician only does this procedure once in a while. It’s better to get someone more experienced.
When conservative care has been completely exhausted then it’s time to consider surgery. Discectomy is more conservative than spinal fusion and recovery is much quicker. You should consider discectomy surgery if you have :
- Foot drop that is getting worse.
- Any other neurological symptoms that is getting worse like your reflexes, sensitivity
- Bowel or Bladder Symptoms (loss of your poo and pee function). : This is an emergency you should go to the hospital right away.
- If you have a disc protrusion or that is 8 mm or larger that correlates well with a neurological exam, and Nerve conduction tests.
- Leg pain is worse than your lower back pain.
Beware of the surgeon who wants to operate on a small disc bulge. There are too many unnecessary surgeries in the USA especially spinal fusion.
Spinal fusion is considered when your lower back pain is worse than your leg pain
Tell us what you think in the comments below and like us on Facebook. This Toronto Downtown Chiropractor will answer all questions in the comments section.
Research
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3. Ikeda T, et al. Pathomechanism of spontaneous regression of the herniated lumbar disc: histologic and immunohistochemical study. J Spinal Disord 1996;9:136-140.
4. Ahn SH, Ahn MW, Byun WM. Effect of transligamentous extension of lumbar disc herniations and their regression in the clinical outcome of sciatica. Spine 2000; 25:475-480.
5. Komori H, Shinomiya K, Nakai O, et al. The natural history of herniated nucleus pulposus with radiculopathy. Spine 1996; 21:225-229.
Research
6. McMorland G et al.Manipulation or microdiskectomy for sciatica? A prospective randomized clinical study. Journal of Manipulative & Physiological Therapeutics 2010; 33: 576-584.
7. Wu, Yao-chi, Jun-feng Zhang, Yi-jun Sun, Cheng-fei Huang, Ping Shao, and Gui-zhen Liu. “Clinical study on electroacupuncture for cervical intervertebral disc herniation.” Journal of Acupuncture and Tuina Science 11, no. 6 (2013): 371-374. – See more at: http://www.healthcmi.com/Acupuncture-Continuing-Education-News/1249-acupuncture-found-superior-to-drug-for-neck-disc-pain#sthash.vD0pNepM.dpuf
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Research
10. Carragee EJ, et al “Clinical outcomes after lumbar discectomy for sciatica: The effects of fragment types and annular competence” J Bone Joint Surg Am – 2003; 85(1):102-108
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Hello Doctor here’s my MRI impression
. Diffuse disc bulge with broad-based posterity-central disc herniation causing thecal sac indentation at L4/5 with spinal canal stenosis, bilateral neural foraminal narrowing and compression over bilateral traversing nerve roots.
. Diffuse disc bulge with postero-central herniation and annular tear causing thecal sac indentation at L5/S1 with spinal canal narrowing, adequate bilateral neural foramianae and closely abutting bilateral traversing nerve roots.
Now I’m having leg pain . If I walk just 10 feet it’s horrible pain.
I’m not having back pain so badly. But my foot hurting like hell.
Author
Thanks for your comment Kishore. You need to tell me what makes your pain worse and what makes it better eg. walking (you answered), lying down, sitting, bending forward from standing position, morning and evening is it worse or better. The one thing guaranteed to make you worse, and where so you have radiating pain from your back to your thigh to your foot. What parts like the buttock, back of the thigh, side of the thigh front of the thigh etc… for your leg and foot.
Is it both sides or one side?
Hope you understand that your symptoms, are more important than the MRI.
When you answer my questions, I might be able to make suggestions.
Thanks Dr ken
My right foot gives pain a lot if I stand for few seconds it starts paining. When I’m lying down its not much pain. While sitting it’s same a little bit pain. The only problem if I walk or stand my right leg starts paining. Nowadays I’m going for massage . They massage me with oil and with heat rod they massage my back. It’s just from last 20 days. Is it good to continue massage?..
Author
Thanks for your question Kishore. Massage is great to help with the tension in your lower back muscles and pelvis. You could also add chiropractic or physiotherapy to this to help further.
Hope that helps your disc herniation.
Hi Dr. Ken,
First of all thanks for reply. Sorry, I thought MRI report is the most important so I didn’t write about my symptoms.
I am an IT guy and work on computers a lot and sit for long hours constantly. In 2010, I stuck in a traffic jam for 4 hours in my car. That day I got pain in my middle back (no pain in lower back) and I couldn’t sleep (not even on couch, mattress and floor) for almost all day and night. Then I started physiotherapy exercises and yoga which gave me immediate relief from pain. Since then I do exercise regularly (once within every 2 days on average) that keeps my pain in control.
But 6 months ago I added squat in my exercises and I got pain in my right leg. I also felt pain in my toe (in the morning and whenever I put my toe on a hard surface). I stopped that exercise and went to see a physiotherapist. He told me one same exercise out of 4 sciatica exercises that you have on your website and that gave me relief in my right leg pain. I still have pain in my left leg’s toe but I keep it controlled by using good sport shoes and avoiding hard surface as much as possible.
Now from last 1 month I am feeling more pain in my middle back. I feel a nerve is pinched near middle back (on left side). I also feel pain even when I am standing. even if I don’t work all the day, I feel pain. I have tried muscle relaxant medicines, gel and pain killers suggested by doctors but they give only temporary relief. I visited physiotherapist and he gave me treatment for 12 days but after 12 days it was same again. I feel less pain before dinner and it become worse after dinner. I am not working at all after dinner. I just go to bed and rest after dinner. I am already using lumbar support back rest in my car and on every chair where I sit and work.
Last Sunday, I went for MRI and yesterday I found disc herniation exercises on your website. Then I came to know that I was doing two wrong exercises that you have suggested to avoid in part 1. I have stopped those 2 exercise and now I am only doing part 2 exercises. I have also adopted all the changes in my lifestyle and daily habits that you have suggested. I have also started keeping my posture correct according to your website tips.I am also avoiding long hour sitting as much as possible (by walking for 15 minutes after every 1/2 hour sitting). I hope that will help reducing pain. I am just concerned about my MRI report as I see some heavy terms like “Disc Desiccation, “Disc Bulge” and “effacement of bilateral neural foramina” etc. and I don’t understand how serious my condition is.
Here is my full MRI report.
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MRI Dorso Lumber Spine:
Findings:
“Disc desiccation with diffuse annular disc bulge seen at l4-5 level resulting in effacement of bilateral neural foramina and indentation over exiting nerve roots. However canal dimensions are normal.”
vertebral bodies show normal heights and alignment.
Marrow signal intensities are preserved
Pre and Paravertebral regions are normal.
Visualized spinal cord is normal in morphology and signal intensity.
Evaluation For Canal Stenosis:
Level , AP(mm) , Trans(mm) , Area (Sq.mm)
L2-3 , 15 , 22 , 330
L3-4 , 15 , 20 , 300
L4-5 , 14 , 18 , 252
L5-S1 , 13 , 22 , 286
Impression:
“Disc desiccation with diffuse annular disc bulge seen at l4-5 level resulting in effacement of bilateral neural foramina and indentation over exiting nerve roots. However canal dimensions are normal.”
My Questions:
Q-1: Can you please give me a layman’s explanation of this result so that I could understand how serious my condition is?
Q-2: What does this mean? Does it mean that I have disc bulge at all Levels (NOT at L4-5 level only) ? What is the size of bulge that is causing pain in my middle back.
Q-3: Is my condition so serious that i can have emergency situation (like Bowel and bladder symptoms) anytime?
Q-4: Can you please provide me a rating (between 1 and 10) that represent how bad my condition is? 1 means “not bad at all” and 10 means “Very bad”
Q-5: Should I go for surgery immediately (without trying exercises that you have suggested in Disc Herniation part -2. )
Please reply.
Thanks.
Author
Thanks for your thorough comments and questions Chris. First you now have mid back pain and your MRI is of the lower back. While you had lower back pain and you still suffer from some problems your chief complaint is the mid back. An MRI of the lower back doesn’t give much insight to the mid back although we can assume a few things.
Keep in mind answering these questions won’t help your mid back.
1. Already answered previously
2. You only have a significant bulge at L45. The others if there any are too small so the radiologist didn’t comment. It’s not a thorough report. You don’t know the size of the bulge in your middle back as there was no MRI taken of that area as I mentioned above.
3. You would have had emergency surgery if that was the case unless your doctor missed it. Inability to start urination and bowel incontinence (leaking – cannot hold in your bowel movements) or numbness and tingling in the inner thighs is considered an emergency.
4. Your lower back MRI is 4/10 to 5/10. It really is not bad.
5. I personally wouldn’t go for surgery. You always do conservative therapy first. Anybody that would suggest that you need surgery without trying conservative therapy in a non-emergency situation is trying to sell you the surgery. It’s simply unethical from my point of view. There is a great Washington Post article about unnecessary disc fusion surgery in the US.
You need to do this exercise for your mid back. http://www.gippslandstorm.com.au/uploads/4/8/4/8/48484417/1515681_orig.jpg
If the pain gets worse you need to stop the exercises.
Hope that helps your disc herniation.
Hi Dr. Ken,
I am 34 years old and having pain in my middle back from last 4-5 years because of long hours sitting in front of laptop (I have an IT Job). Yesterday I go for MRI and my MRI result is following
“disc desiccation with diffuse annular disc bulge seen at l4-5 level resulting in effacement of bilateral neural foramina and indentation over exiting nerve roots”
Q-1: Can you please give me a layman’s explanation of this result so that I could understand how serious my condition is?
Here is Evaluation For Canal Stenosis:
Level AP(mm) Trans(mm) Area (Sq.mm)
L2-3 15 22 330
L3-4 15 20 300
L4-5 14 18 252
L5-S1 13 22 286
Q-2: What does this mean? Does it mean that I have disc bulge at all Levels (NOT at L4-5 level only) ? What is the size of bulge that is causing pain in my middle back.
Q-3: Is my condition so serious that i can have emergency situation (like Bowel and bladder symptoms) anytime?
Q-4: Can you please provide me a rating (between 1 and 10) that represent how bad my condition is? 1 means “not bad at all” and 10 means “Very bad”
Q-5: Should I go for surgery immediately (without trying exercises that you have suggested in Disc Herniation part -2. )
Sorry for asking too many questions but I am really scared.
Please reply.
Thanks.
Author
Thanks for your question Chits (Chris).
First it matters what your examination and history says not your MRI. While the more serious the MRI the more likely it will correlate with your lower back pain.
1. Your Spinal Canal is like a tunnel and your spinal cord is like the train that goes in the tunnel. The measurements check how wide the tunnel or spinal canal is. Your spinal canal is a little narrowed but still considered normal.
2. I can’t tell you as you have not given me your symptoms in detail, nor have you given me the full report.
3. How can I possibly tell if you the only thing you have told me is your MRI which is the least important and you have only told me that you have mid back pain which I assume to be lower back pain but in the middle.
4. Can’t tell you as per above
5. Can’t tell you as per above.
Give me a detailed account of your symptoms and your MRI.
Hope that helps your possible disc herniation.
hi sir! This is arun i’m 21years old very young age..i suffered back pain since 1year ago..but last 3months it is very painfull.i think it will cause due to i daily travell daily 30-40kms nearly to go college..so many ortho doctors concern but no use.finally neuro doctor concern he saying to make mri! My mri result is MILD L4-L5 DISC BULGE CAUSING INDENTATION ON THECAL SAC AND LATERAL RECESS..the doctor see mri &saying very small problem it improve with medicine with take physiotheraphy..i use medicine&also go to physio theraphy.some improvement is there…*1)plz tell me how much time to take recover completly..(2)it is again repeated in future ..(3) any instuctions to give me..if any other tretment take me plz suggest *4)anyy exerciese suitable for my problem plz send the link for me…please reply me sir!THANK U SIR!..
Author
Thanks for your question Arun. Thanks for your question.
1. Ask your physio – I didn’t assess you to determine your recovery and why didn’t you ask them in the first place.
2. Back pain is recurrent which means it will happen again.
3. Try these exercises https://www.bodiempowerment.com/herniated-disc-part-2-the-best-exercises-for-your-herniated-disc/
Hope that helps your possible disc herniation.
Thanks for your prompt reply Doctor.
Yes I was doing cobra stretch and other strengthening exercises you have posted on herniated disc 2 page. The pain is minimal on the left leg now which was intense earlier but it has started on the right.
Whenever I stand for long time(more than 30minutes) the pain starts in the right calf. And after standing for couple of hours then performing cobra stretch ,pinches my right calf.
I attended a physio and he said it sometimes happen due to bigger discs and it can be dealt and cured.
I wanted to get assured as am really challenged mentally on this. It’s 2 months now after starting with diagnosis and exercises.
Please help
Author
Thanks for your comment Ferdinand. Your physio should give you other exercises to help. Hopefully you get better with those.
Hope that helps your disc herniation.
Thanks Doctor..
I have noticed one thing with my pain.At first my left leg was in enormous amount of tingling and pain. Now the left leg has resolved with only buttock pain and the right leg has started to hurt at the thigh and buttock. Right leg used to pain initially but not much as compared to left leg.I can rate the pain in right at 7.
Is this normal? Or am worsening it with exercises?
Nerve can get damaged on both legs?
Author
Thanks for your question Ferdinand. Which exercises are you doing? Whatever exercises you are doing the pain has shifted to the other side and is not as painful and isn’t going down as far you are getting better. The pain though does sound to be high intensity though, but as long it is less than the left than you are OK. If not then you should stop the exercises.
At this point I would do a number of test to determine what exercises to do. As I can’t do that you will have to see a health practitioner in person as I can’t check you personally over the net.
The damage is usually in the disc in the lower back not the legs. You just feel it in the legs.
Hope that helps your disc herniation.
Hi doc Ken. Hope everything’s well at you end.
I had posted my issues a month back regarding the disc protrusion and had received your solution in return.
Now a month has passed and with it the tingling feeling as well. But the buttock pain still exists when I walk around. Every stride hurts my butt on both sides. The tingling feeling is negligible now but am still worried for my butt pain. This pain consists for a month now and hurts bad in the morning.
The tingling feeling to disappear is a good sign??
The buttock pain is the sign of muscle weakness or sciatica???
What can I do more to resolve this buttock pain that is mainly while walking??
If I diligently perform my exercises what is the recovery time??
Please assist me with this Doc.Ken.
Author
Thanks for your question Ferdinand. Do the cobra and extend your neck at the top. Also breath out and sag the lower back. Basically relax the lower back and pelvis. This puts more pressure on the disc to help you decrease the tension.
1. Tingling disappearing is a good sign. Yes
2. You have the solution I just gave you right above.
Recovery time is dependent on many variables. It may be a few weeks to a few months. If you don’t do the exercises or do them wrong or have a job where you sit then you will likely aggravate the problem. It can be years for others.
Hope that helps your disc herniation.
Hi, I am 66 years old suffering form lower back pain since 6-7 years, have done lower back and cervical spine MRI. Currently the pain has also flown to both my legs along with lower back. I am also a diabetic and higher BP patient from last 6-7 years as well.Cervical spine MRI findings are:-
Central disc bulge is seen at C3-4 level, indenting anterior thecal sac.
Diffuse disc bulge is seen at C4-5 level, indenting anterior thecal sac, mildly effacing bilateral lateral recesses and mildly impinging on descending nerve roots.
Diffuse disc bulge is seen at C5-6 level, indenting anterior thecal sac, effacing bilateral lateral recesses and impinging on descending nerve roots.
Central disc bulge is seen at C6-7 level, indenting anterior thecal sac, mildly effacing bilateral lateral recesses and mildly impinging on descending nerve roots. pls advice what can be done @ this stage.
Author
Thanks for your question Vks. Unfortunately you tell me about your lower back pain but then give me results of a cervical MRI which is the neck. I can’t help you as you need to give more information on one area.
Hope you understand.
MRI study revealed as under :
GRADE-1 anterior lysthesis of L4 vertebral body,marked L4-L5 facetal arthrosis, thickened ligamentum flava and minor posterior bulge of L4-L5 disc with narrowing of bilateral lateral recesses. spinal canal, mild compression of bilateral traversing nerve roots and crowding of intrathecal nerve roots.
Small central left paracentral bulge of L1-L2 disc with thecal sac without significant neural compression.
Small posterior bulge of D12-L1 disc without compression of spinal cord.
Whole spine screening shows :
Spondylotic changes involving cervical spine.
posterior bulge of C4-C5 and C5-C6 discs with abutment of spinal cord without evident spinal cord edema.
Normal whole spinal cord.
Kindly suggest remedy.
regards
Author
Thanks for your question Laxmiben. I can’t comment on a MRI only as MRI by themselves are misleading. You will have to tell me much more.
Hope you understand that 60% of 60 years old have a disc herniation with no symptoms. So showing me the results of an MRI only is very misleading.
Hi Doc,
Firstly thank you so much for this wonderful article. It helps me to understand my condition more clearly.
I have been feeling a numbness on my right outer thigh for a few years now. Progressively it has been getting worse. I also feel a pain in my lower back area, approx where the “tail-bone” is.
I have tried different exercise, some physiotherapy (which did improve things temporarily) as well as joining the gym to lose weight and gain some strength.
Finally, on the recommendation of a doctor, I had a MRI done. This is what I got out of it:
Mild straightening of the lumber lordosis is seen. There is bright T1 and T2 signal area in the body of L4, which becomes low on STIR images suggestive of hermanioma. There is no acute fracture or listhesis. Rest of the marrow signal is normal. Conus medullaris is at L1. There is no intradural abnormality. Vertebal heights are normal. Disc space is reduced at L5-S1. Para spinal soft tissue are normal. Visualized kidneys and SI joints do not show any significant abnormality.
At L1-2 level, there is minor circumferential disc bulge indenting thecal sac without significant stenosis
At L2-3 level, there is minor circumferential disc bulge indenting thecal sac without significant stenosis
At L3-4 level, there is circumferential disc bulge with slight hypertrophy of ligamentum flavum and facets indenting thecal sac causing mild central canal, bilateral recess and exit foramen narrowing
At L4-5 level, there is circumferential disc bulge with slight hypertrophy of ligamentum flavum and facets indenting thecal sac causing mild central canal, bilateral recess and exit foramen stenosis
At L5-S1 level, there is circumferential disc buldge indenting thecal sac causing mild central canal, bilateral recess and exit foramen narrowing. There is a small iso T1 and bright T2 signal in the right posterior aspect of the nucleus pulposus at L5-S1, which could be due to tear and less likely due to low grade infection/discitis.
Any advice on how I should proceed including what I should discuss with doctors would be highly appreciated.
Regards,
– Harris
Author
Thanks for your question Harris. If the bright signal is a annular tear than it’s worth trying to do the exercises here in this link. https://www.bodiempowerment.com/herniated-disc-part-2-the-best-exercises-for-your-herniated-disc/
If the exercise increase the symptoms further down the leg or make the symptoms go even further down than you should stop the exercises.
Hope that helps you disc herniation.
Hey Dr Ken, I am 19o yeats old android i have had pain in my lower back since december 2014 due to exercise at first it was very mild but then it got a little severe i went to the doctoe and the x rays came fine, then had an MRI and it said that i had muld disc buldge at L4-5 (LT-RT) causing the thecal sac indention, mild narrowing of left neural foremen and ipsilateral nerve root impingment, they gave me medicines and reffered me to rehab but that didnt help and the pain got milder over time, now its back and I had a new X ray and they say that the distance between my discs is wider than normal and again gave me medicines and reffered me to rehab but its getting worse all the exercises are not helping, do i need surgery and is there any chance that i could work out again?
Author
Thanks for your question Shaheer. You may or may not benefit from these exercises. https://www.bodiempowerment.com/herniated-disc-part-2-the-best-exercises-for-your-herniated-disc/
It would be very unusual to get surgery for what you described and I would question any doctor based on what you have told me so far. Maybe there is more to the story than you have told me but having pressure on the nerve alone is not good enough to warrant surgery. Also if the space between the disc is wider than normal that is actually a good thing.
It sounds like you need better rehab care. I would switch health providers for your physiotherapy or chiropractic to a person with more knowledge.
Hope that helps your possible disc herniation.
In 2012 I was in a car accident. The car I was in was rear ended. I was sore for a few days and that was it. In 2013 I noticed when I do sit ups it felt like my tail bone was rubbing on the ground. It was painful. I figured the pain was from me being too skinny. I complained to my dr. He did an mri and said I had a minimal bulge at l2-l3. At that time I had no pain. Months past and I noticed once and a while I get pain going down my legs. I got pregnant and that’s when the pain increased. Whenever I got up off the couch I had to sit back down. The pain start at my lower back traveled down my buttocks and down the back of my leg. It’s mostly on the left side. As of today I have lower back pain but when I lay o. The floor or my bed it’s hard for me to get up. The pain is unbearable and takes me a long time to get up. When I do get up I get a pain in my leg when I walk. When I stand for too long I get a tingling in my lower back. Also accompanied by the shooting pain down my buttocks and back of my legs. Could it be that the pain is connected to the minimal bulging disc? The Mri is two years old. At the time of the mri I had no pain except when I lay flat on the floor. But now it hurts standing for too long and hurts when I try to get up from sitting or laying.
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Thanks for your question Nique. Sounds like a disc bulge, lower down although it can be the one that they found.
Nique you should know that many women get sciatica with pregnancy especially if they are further along like 24 or more weeks. It really depends on the wait gain and the change in the posture that happens as a result.
While it sounds like a disc that is protuding out the back or posterior with pregnancy you should get is looked at by a professional. Also with the previous accident all the factors can be contributing to your pain.
Hope that helps your disc herniation
DEAR SIR,
myself vinod kumar.. my MRI shows
1) L4-L5 disc bulge but no compression
2) l5-s1 right paracentral disc protrusion. significant nerve compression seen right side
3)disc bulge a c4-c7 level but no compression .
presently i am getting burning nerve pain in hip,buttock,hamstring and while walking it goes to ankle also.
kindly suggest me exercises. i am doing cobra pose and bird dog which decreased my pain but not totally after two months of exercise. still i can not sit more than 10 minutes without pain and can not walk more than 5 minutes without burning pain.
kindly help me for my problem
thank u very much sir
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Thanks for your question Vinod. WHen do the cobra try breathing out and going as far as you can. Also try to do the exercises every couple of hours.
Hope that helps your possible disc herniation.
sir,
thank u very much for replying.
Is there any medicine or herb for disc dessication
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Thanks for your question Vinod. There is Glucosamine sulphate and chondrotin sulphate but it has proven to increase disc height or reverse disc dessication. It seems to help pain at least for the knees in studies done so far.
Hope that helps your disc dessication.
thank u sir,
i take glucosamin and chrondoitin sulphate some day but not daily as i dont know whether it will work in spinal disc also .
sir one more question whether after one or two year length of disc herniation can be reduced with proper posture and exercises OR it will be for lifetime .
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Thanks for your question Vinod. Your disc will likely go back into place with the exercises in a few weeks to a few months even up to 6 months.
Hope that helps your disc herniation.
i am lipi ghosh femal aged 33 years suffering with very low back pain for 1 years 2 month.Before 6 month Doctor suggested M R I .the result are
*Small focal liner invol syring involving the cervical spinal cord from C3-C6 Vertable level measuring about 2.5 cm in length
*The CV junction and atlantoaxial joints appear normal
*paraspinal cervical musles spasm with mild degenerative spondylitic canges noted.
*no sinificant disc bulge/protrusion in the whole spine
*Focal fatty marrow changes (Heamangioma in T12 Vertebral body.
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Thanks for your comment Debasish. I can’t comment on just an MRI as they are misleading by themselves. You need to tell me more about your pains.
pls sir send your mobile no,i want a talk to you in video calling,
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Sorry Lipi. There is a limit to the time I can spend helping people. I don’t do video calling or give out my email.
Excellent information about lower back pain and pain in left leg due to nerve compression by bulging disc at L4 n L5. I am suffering since last 5 weeks. Went to chiropracter first then Dr and MRi test. Taking medicines, doing physical exercises n improving day by day by the grace of Al-mighty Allah. Regards.
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Thanks for your comment Major. Glad that your disc herniation is improving well.
Dr. Ken
iam 45 yrs old. Iam suffering from a severe pain in my left leg since june up to present. my dr gave me medication pregabalin 75mg.it lessen my leg pain, but still i feel it in lateafternoon.i have also a little bit back pain. my dr suggest to undergo MRI, and here is the results.varying degrees of disk dessication at L4-5 and L5-S1 intervertebral disks. bdoad based central/left paracentral disk protrusion with thecal sac indentation and moderate-severe left neuroforaminal narrowing compressing the exiting spinal nerve roots at L5-S1 level. diffuse disk bulge at L4-5 level with thecal sac indentation spondylosis. straighthening of the lumbar lordosis due to muscle spasm. dr. Ken i would like to ask if this results is not good, coz i feel nervous. and what do you mean by left paracentral and foraminal dsk protrusion(0.7cm) with thecal sac indention,and also diffuse disk bulge at L4-5 levels (0.2cm) wih thecal sac indentation noted.? please kindly answer my question. what exersises are best for me? Thank you very much. God bless .From Philippines.
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Thanks for your question Olivia. Assuming that your pain is coming from the disc herniation then your problem may be helped by exercises. https://www.bodiempowerment.com/herniated-disc-part-2-the-best-exercises-for-your-herniated-disc/
Here are the exercises that may help. Like any exercise they can make you worse. Given the size of your disc it will likely pinch and cause more pain with the exercises.
I recommend that you seek help with a person that can examine you properly so they can give you exercises specific to you.
Hope that helps your disc herniation.
hi Ken, I have a ‘mild degenerative change in the right hip joint’. A shallow posterior disc bulge L4/L5/L5/S1. A trochanteric bursa. Mild bilateral sacroiliac joint degeneration. And a bilateral CAM lesion, in keeping with possible FAI. Apart from not really knowing what some of this means and being in considerable discomfort, hip, groin, right gluets, leg and knee. I would like to know what I can do to start making progress in my physical well being. I would like to do some form of exercise, but don’t want to aggravate or make things worse. I have been a long distance walker for the past 10 years. This I started because of lower back pain. I am sure that if I was a dog I would be ‘put-down’!!! Kind regards, Pea Saunders
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Thanks for your Question Pea. The real question is what’ s causing your pain. While you have a posterior disc bulge it’s not likely causing symptoms and the pain is more likely coming from your hip or as you put your FAI (Femoral Acetablulbar Impingement or Hip Impingement syndrome. You should to hip exercises and not disc herniation exercises. While it’s possible that there are two causes to your pain the majority is likely the hip. Keep in mind I haven’t examined you.
You should stretch your gluts medius, piriformis, and psoas/iliacus muscles, and strengthen the gluts the corresponding muscles as well as the back and hamstrings. The other alternative is to do surgery.
You should get the right exercises from a health practitioner like a chiropractor.
Hope that helps your hips.
thank you Dr Nakamura. I was lost between the pages. that’s why i asked again. thank you for kind recommendation. i would start from today. Thaks a lot.
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You’re welcome Turjo.
Thanks Dr.ken
Thanks for your prompt reply Dr Ken.
I feel it’s the slip disc that causing the buttock pain. The doctor tried some tests like bending forward that gave pain in the buttocks and calf. While sitting I could not lift my leg up.
Before I had a miserable pain and nerve tingling behind my calf but now I feel better and do not have it, not sure what helped me though.
I have taken three weeks off from my work which mainly consists of sitting for hours as am in software firm.
During the day I feel as if my problem is over Dr. Ken but again as I wake up the next morning my buttock hurts while walking for some time. Why does this happen?? Will it be forever?? Please help me on this. This makes me feel depressed.
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Thanks for your question Ferdinand.
1. THe disc absorbs fluid during the night so that when you sit up or stand there is more disc to squash out when you put your weight on it.
2. Try the exercises first. Nothing is forever.
Hope that helps your disc herniation.